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Happy Thanksatan Day! 26-Nov-09 11:42 AM

Today is the day we commemorate the Pilgrims almost starving to death. That could have been the end of the matter for another 50 years+, but compassion prompted the Native Americans to give the Pilgrims food. A feast, no less.

In return, the pilgrims, and those that came after them, slaughtered the Native Americans almost to the point of extinction. Ditto the buffalo.

Satan sure does move in mysterious ways.

Hail Satan.

We thank you for you bounty ...

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Re: Happy Thanksatan Day! 26-Nov-09 11:50 AM

Yes it is a great shame the first Americans, who today detest Colonisation, in fact entered a country from abroad which was already fully occupied, then removed those same people almost completely, then proclaimed that country the "Land of the Free". Its a strange thing to celebrate?

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Re: Happy Thanksatan Day! 26-Nov-09 12:05 PM

Yes but those settlers were English!
At that the USA did not exist, however I suppose that the full extermination of the native Indians didn't start until after the War of Independence so we Brits can wash our hands of that one!

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Re: Happy Thanksatan Day! 26-Nov-09 12:15 PM

Very tenuous argument Sim. The Founding Fathers were partly British but it was they who started removing the Native Americans. The War of Independance happened partly because the "to be" Americans were far more anti Indians than were the British Government. So America was formed on a gross injustice, not something ever to be proud of?

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Re: Happy Thanksatan Day! 26-Nov-09 01:28 PM

I thought the war of independence started because the Americans didn't want to contribute towards the cost of us fighting France on their behalf for the previous 50 years.
That and they wanted to be free - free to keep slaves and commit genocide against Native Americans.

Hail Satan

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The Shining City on the Hill 26-Nov-09 02:50 PM

Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.

Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation, so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battle-field of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.

But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate...we can not consecrate...we can not hallow this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us—that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion—that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain—that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom—and that government: of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth

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Re: The Shining City on the Hill 26-Nov-09 03:33 PM

James the Yanks saved our bacon in WW2, and indeed probably most of the world. But is more recent years they have gone wrong. You can count them - Korea, Vietnam, Iraq (twice), Afganistan. Not enough thought of the consequences of military action - no exit strategies - fighting risky asymetric warfare - just not enough thought. Sadam apart from rhetoric never posed any risk to the US or UK, there was no need for the war - it was bound up in unwise policies by the US that so many died.

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Re: The Shining City on the Hill 26-Nov-09 04:09 PM

Louis,

There is an anti-American visceral reflex that too often kicks in when Europeans debate America, and even though numerous rationales are presented to substantiate such feelings- wars, culturelessness even the bizarre view that all Americans are somehow dumb – these claims remain largely mindless.

The United States is a fantastic embodiment of the human spirit and the best vehicle for its expression that mankind has yet come up with, and the words below are extraordinary, the reason that we take for granted now is because for the best part of the last century Americans have sort to ensure our continued liberty:

"and that government: of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth"

Although I understand if you nearly got bombed by them you may have a slightly different take on it.

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Re: The Shining City on the Hill 26-Nov-09 04:40 PM

I think the main problem James is the Americans are not mature enough to be in charge of the vastly superior military machine they possess. It is rather like inviting a four year old to go and play with a loaded AK47 .....

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Re: The Shining City on the Hill 26-Nov-09 04:46 PM

The majority of Americans are in my opinion Insular, paranoid and myopic. They are the main reason why the world (in particular the middle east) is the way it is. I could go on for a long time about this political and economic nightmare they are fostering but I like short and simple. They should get their heads out of their own $%^&s and smell the coffee.

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Re: The Shining City on the Hill 26-Nov-09 07:04 PM

We all paid the US handsomely for our liberty, and some. As for our special relationship? Its $%^&. I think 'quid pro quo' always leans the US's way and that may come back to haunt them, thats my opinion not a generalisation. They should all get out a bit more, is that a generalisation ?

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Re: The Shining City on the Hill 29-Nov-09 04:16 PM

The yanks save our bacon: only on the 'silver screen'. Surely they only entered the war 2 years after the allies had taken on the Germans +
If Pearl Harbour hadn't happened the Yanks would still bew sitting on the fence and no war films would ever have been made

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Re: The Shining City on the Hill 29-Nov-09 04:54 PM

Scottie,

I've just looked up this quote from Winston Churchill as I couldn't remember the exact wording.

You can always trust the Americans. In the end they will do the right thing, after they have eliminated all the other possibilities.

I think it about sums it up.

On the same page I found the quote I found this from the playright Harold Pinter -

The crimes of the United States have been systematic, constant, vicious, remorseless, but very few people have ever talked about them. You have to hand it to America. It has exercised quite a clinical manipulation of power worldwide while masquerading as a force for universal good. It is a brilliant, even witty, highly successful act of hypnosis.

Those two of course don't count, being just 'Little Englanders " ( four legs good, two legs bad, baaah ), but these quotes were also there -

This is from Joseph Sobram, an American journalist -

Most Americans aren't the sort of citizens the Founding Fathers expected; they are contented serfs. Far from being active critics of government, they assume that its might makes it right

And this from Richard Mynick, another US citizen -

Today's America is no democracy — it's a degenerating tyranny, disfigured by its military-industrial-governmental cancer. Our people are increasingly ashamed and terrified of their government, and rightly so, because we have no control over it, and it's become a deceitful monstrous danger to us and to the health of the planet. We're not 'The Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave.' To the contrary: We, the people, are on our knees, cringing and whimpering in dismay and confusion, prostrate before the forces that have betrayed us.

It seems not everyone is in awe of the USA's supposed monopoly on being in the right, all the time.

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Re: Happy Thanksatan Day! 26-Nov-09 03:52 PM

As if fat waddling Americans could, but don't forget, as part of Thanksatan Day:

It is every American's duty to partake in the en-mass Deadly Sin of Gluttony. So much so that many hundred will die this very day as a direct result of Gluttony - all sacrificed through Sin at their own dinning table. It its own way, it is tragic.

But in this way you worship Satan with your bodies, despite praising Jesus with your words.

As ever, the actions betray the words.

PTL.

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Re: Happy Thanksatan Day! 26-Nov-09 04:04 PM

Yes this is very sad Declan. More Americans die yearly, relative to population, due to obesity - caused conditions, than any other country in the world ...

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Re: Happy Thanksatan Day! 30-Nov-09 01:02 PM

But fair dues Luois we're a close second!

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Re: Happy Thanksatan Day! 30-Nov-09 01:12 PM

Yes but it estimated that if Americans get much fatter, their combined weight could make the entire North American continent sink - this would make them very prone to flloding due to Global Warming - that itself caused by their misuse of gas guzzling SUVs ....

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Re: Happy Thanksatan Day! 26-Nov-09 04:14 PM

Hail Satan, crown him King of all Kings of this earth & beyond, Hail Satan

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Re: Happy Thanksatan Day! 26-Nov-09 04:32 PM

James,

This statement -

" Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal."

Please explain to me the bit about all men being created equal, given the US attitude to Native Americans and slaves at the time. And given the war on the UK and Canada declared when the British abolished the slave trade.

The very concept of America's birth as a nation founded on freedom and equality is complete lies.
The founding fathers didn't want equality, they wanted to avoid taxes. They wanted America's wealth for themselves. They wanted power for themselves.

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Re: Happy Thanksatan Day! 26-Nov-09 04:45 PM

Andrew,

The quote comes from an address made on a civil war battle field in the 1860s after tens of thousands had died fighting in part to end slavery.

100 years earlier, before even the time of the revolution, Lord Gordon complained “the leveling principle here (US), everywhere, operates strongly and takes the lead. Everybody has property, and everybody knows it.”

People were largely free and equal. Certainly more so than anywhere else in the world at the time and many places today.

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Re: Happy Thanksatan Day! 26-Nov-09 04:52 PM

Really James! The Ku Klux Klan hardly made people free and equal did they?

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Re: Happy Thanksatan Day! 26-Nov-09 05:01 PM

No, certainly not. Well spotted.

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Re: Happy Thanksatan Day! 26-Nov-09 05:22 PM

Louis,

You made me look this one out thanks, put on the next time you are DJing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XaI5IRuS2...

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Re: Happy Thanksatan Day! 26-Nov-09 06:07 PM

Yes Woody was really great, James! But ... I dont know how to say this ... its TOO shocking for most present day Americans! - he was not Rascist - he was not Anti American! Its far far worse! He was - a - Good God! - a - ...........................................................................................Socialist !!!!!!

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Re: Happy Thanksatan Day! 27-Nov-09 01:57 PM

James S,

I'm sorry, I can't let you get away with that.

I understood it was a civil war quote. Your civil war may have been fought in part to end slavery, but the slavery was not worldwide slavery, it was slavery within the USA.
Britain ended the worldwide slave trade some 60 years earlier, by force.
The US response was to fight a war against Britain because we borded your slave ships and freed the slaves you carried.

You simply do not have any moral authority on freedom. You committed ethnic cleansing and genocide against Native Americans.
You may have freed your slaves after your civil war, but they were not given equal status until they fought for it in the 1950s and 1960s.
Let's not forget the South African apartheid system, introduced after the Country left the British Commonwealth, was based on the US system in place at that time.

I think you will find Britain, despite many awful past policies, is the Country that has done most in this world in the fight for freedom, good governance and equality.

Let's face it, the natives of Canada, Australia and New Zealand may wish the British had never set foot on their soil, but they must surely count themselves lucky it was the British and not the USA that colonised their countries.

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Re: Happy Thanksatan Day! 27-Nov-09 02:23 PM

I dont think any British Colonies regret being ruled by the British - we bought order to their countries, a far better way to live, cricket, tea, crumpets. We were liked in India, Kenya and m$%^& of others. Sure if they were naughty we kicked black bums (gently) but we were never racist. We did litter the lanscape with classic Jaguars and MGs, and Tiger Moths true but we were benevolent. We taught the Class system, and fair play. Had they been US Colonies it would have been nothing like that, you end up with the US Quazi - Colonies like the Phillipines. We certainly are popular in our remaining 12 colonies. We no longer kick black bums though ....

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Re: Happy Thanksatan Day! 27-Nov-09 02:38 PM

Andrew,

a) I think I'd classify myself as an Englishman, born, raised, a full set of oldies (although the grand ones were from Scotland). So what I was seeking to explain is that I and many people, in fact most I've met, all round the world share a common fundamental value that has been best expressed by the democratic traditions of America.

b) I am ashamed of little Englanders. England has many virtues and is a place that anyone with a right mind would find attractive and stimulating to live in, but when people from my country make claims such as these:

“I think you will find Britain, despite many awful past policies, is the Country that has done most in this world in the fight for freedom, good governance and equality.”

I despair.

You are everything that the England I know is not. Arrogant, stupid, ill-informed and xenophobic .

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Re: Happy Thanksatan Day! 27-Nov-09 03:02 PM

James,

I mistook you for an American.

a) No they don't. The universal fundamental values of the world are best expressed by the traditions of the UK, the mother of democracy.

As for the rest of your post, where did that come from ?
I think the label you attempt to apply does not fit.

You have failed to argue against any of my points and instead branded me and then threw insults.

I find that truely pathetic.

I am not a little Englander and the USA did fight Britain for forcibly ending the slave trade. The USA did commit genocide against its own native people. The black people in the USA were second class citizens until the 1960s.

Throwing worthless insults at a person is easy, especially on a forum such as this where no redress is possible, but as you have said of me -

" You are everything that the England I know is not. Arrogant, stupid, ill-informed and xenophobic "

Could you give me a reasoned argument as to why my words have led you to that conclusion ?

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Re: Happy Thanksatan Day! 27-Nov-09 04:11 PM

Andrew,

I'm sorry if you think I've over-stepped the mark and indulged in "worthless insults". I have tried to avoid doing so upto now, but looking at the details of your posts I think it reasonable to suggest that some of your comments were written off in haste:

1) "I understood it was a civil war quote. Your civil war may have been fought in part to end slavery, but the slavery was not worldwide slavery, it was slavery within the USA. Britain ended the worldwide slave trade some 60 years earlier, by force. The US response was to fight a war against Britain because we borded your slave ships and freed the slaves you carried.”

Surely you know that in the United States many of the Northern States outlawed slavery long before the United Kingdom ever did, the constitution starts outlawing this in the 1780s..

2) Let's not forget the South African apartheid system, introduced after the Country left the British Commonwealth, was based on the US system in place at that time.

Er!! I'm staggered by this, put in Bobby Kennedy in any search engine and tell me you don't come up with the famous “ripple of hope” speech, and surely it was the UK and Thatcher that were prime movers for apartheid in the 70s and 80s.

3) "I think you will find Britain, despite many awful past policies, is the Country that has done most in this world in the fight for freedom, good governance and equality."

I give in… if you really think the UK has done “the most in the world” to fight for good governance and equality then,

Can I use your address to apply for the twenty postal votes my councilor asked me for in return for the EU contract to supply rubber ducks down the side of canal that p$%^& by the flat?

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Re: Happy Thanksatan Day! 27-Nov-09 05:50 PM

James,

Yes my posts were sweeping generalisations, and they were written in haste, but the content is generally accurate.

1) George Washington kept slaves.
Do you know of William Wiilburforce ?
Read this -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Wil...
This is ahead of the USA as far as slavery is concerned. 1933 saw its abolition, over 30 years before its abolition in the USA

I see you again avoid the issue of ethnic cleansing and genocide committed against native americans.
Well, I can see why.

2) Staggered, are you ? Well so am I.
You have no idea whatsoever of the timeline.
http://www-cs-students.stanford.edu/~cal...

Apartheid was modelled on the US system which was in place at the time of its conception, 1948.
Bobby Kennedy's speech was way later. 6th June 1966 to be precise
This isn't even something any historian would dispute, it's just how it happened.

3) I'm not surprised you have given in on this one as you are clearly wrong.
I'll give you a few pointers. The constitution of Germany. The political system of Canada, Australia, New Zealand, India, Pakistan, Israel, and a whole host of African and Asian Countries.
The fight against the Nazis and the fascists, against Imperialist Japan and Kaiser Willhelm. Against Napoleon.
Facing down the Soviet Union.

Britain is far from perfect and I'd be amongst the first to recognise this, but the UK has and continues to lead on many of the important issues the world faces.

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Re: Happy Thanksatan Day! 27-Nov-09 03:08 PM

I think you will find its the lower orders of Englishmen have the negative aspects you detail. We of aristocratic, and indeed noble birth are the most accepting of different class attitudes, however crude, and yet the preservation of uniquely British high standards. We have no problem with Americans, as such, accepting their inate immaturity and indeed highly melodramatic nature derive purely from a very young country, it is not their fault. What we do blame them for is not listening to us British in matters such as the shambles in Iraq that they alone created, when our views are far more wise, conditioned by our vastly greater experience in world affairs,

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Re: Happy Thanksatan Day! 27-Nov-09 03:25 PM

Louis,

I thought you aristocrats were French ?

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Re: Happy Thanksatan Day! 27-Nov-09 04:06 PM

No, we came from Normandy with William being legal advisors to him, then also later with the Protestant Hugeonots in the 1500s. Marriage into the remote Royals, several high Titles, and here we are today. One of the most respected British families. Can trace lineage back to the French King Rollo in the AD 400s. High Class families as ours, have this of course because of the meticulous Family Book. Latterly mainly Knights, etc. In todays world of course all that is left is the Arms, and hereditaries. The British aristocracy exists of course, mainly hidden, but in a modern Democracy, its really more of pure academic interest .....

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Re: Happy Thanksatan Day! 26-Nov-09 04:46 PM

In fairness they didn't want to pay taxes if they couldn't elect their own MPs, which is fair enough.

Let's not let any disagreement about "America: the reality" vs "America: the paradigm" cloud the real issue here -

Americans have come on to this site to spread unwanted religious propaganda.

Today is a day that these same retarded fatties will sit down to eat until they can hardly breathe, thereby committing a "mortal" sin.

It is this kind of blatant and unquestioning Hypocrisy that makes America Satan's favorite nation.

Satan Bless America.

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Re: Happy Thanksatan Day! 26-Nov-09 06:09 PM

Way to go Declan! Awsome!!!

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Re: Happy Thanksatan Day! 26-Nov-09 10:44 PM

I believe the words your looking for are 'Taxation without representation'

As for all this thanksatan rubbish, I'll let the man himself tell it like it is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGR4SFOim...

At the risk of sounding like the other religous nut jobs on here:

The greatest trick the devil played was convincing the world he didn't exist.

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Re: Happy Thanksatan Day! 26-Nov-09 10:46 PM

One more thing.

"Remember, there's not I in Team America"

:) Brilliant!

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Re: Happy Thanksatan Day! 27-Nov-09 12:23 AM

TA,

"The greatest trick the devil played was convincing the world he didn't exist. "

...or he just doesn't exist and it's just man who needs someone to blame.

Damn you this is a property board, now....

Praise Santa
ho ho ho

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Re: Happy Thanksatan Day! 27-Nov-09 02:05 AM

It's not much of a jump from Santa Clause to Satan's claws, as the present Americanised consumer version of Christmas shows us all.

And the red version of Satan, sorry Santa - It was invented by those wonderful drinks people, the ones who supply carbonated cola drinks ( without cola nuts )

Baaaaahh... (humbug)

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